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Old 17th April 2009, 05:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dear lovely mommies,
Anyone can help me in deciding whether to menabung in SSPN or buy insuran pendidikan for my kids...
- In term of pulangan jangka panjang
- monthly savings / payment
- pro and cons...
Really confused...
thank you in advance...
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yap saya pun tengah pikirkan tabung apa yg seronok n sesuai utk anak2
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*our family choice for our children: SSPN (educational saving), Prudential-BSN (insurance).

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Salam Arnie and iena7178..

saya boleh tolong jawab on behalf of insurance/takaful jer la yer... sebab saya agent dari Prudential BSN Takaful... and tak nak comment on SSPN.. takut nanti saya sound macam memburuk2 kan product orang pulak...

Insuran/takaful pendidikan ni... bagus sebab selain simpanan tiap2 bulan... anak2 kita dapat perlindungan jugak... dari penyakit critical, hilang upaya kekal, kemalangan dan jugak kematian.

Di samping tu ada jugak fungsi CONTRIBUTOR di mana... kalau ayah/ibu kepada anak tu meninggal dunia, caruman bulanan tu akan diteruskan oleh company insurance kami (Prudential), so hasrat ibu bapa yang menyimpan untuk anak tu kesampaian lah walaupun diorang dah tak ada di dunia...

Kelebihan lain pulak... ada medical card untuk kemasukan ke hospital.

Duit caruman tiap2 bulan tu akan dilaburkan di dalam dana2 islamik yang menepati konsep syariah, dan pulangan tiap2 tahun akan di masukkan ke dalam 'akaun' pencarum dan boleh dikeluarkan bila cukup jumlah.


Bandingkan kalau menyimpan kat bank, kita tak dapat semua coverage2 tu...

Kalau berminat, saya boleh bercerita lebih lanjut, sila hantar private message kat saya yerr.....

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hmm... I ada baca SSPN nyer brochure, Let say if I contribute Rm100 per month, in 15 years, I could accumulate (saving + 4% dividen) roughly about RM25k.
what about insurance? If I want Rm25k in 15 years, how much should I contribute every month?
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Dear Sis Arnie...

eemm that depends on how old is your son/daughter... as well as umur arnie/suami.... before i can say how much you punya contribution.. i perlukan some particulars from you...

nama anak:
birthdate anak:

nama arnie:
birthdate arnie:
pekerjaan arnie:
smoking or not: ini saya assume tak...

nama husband:
birthdate husband:
pekerjaan husband:
smoking or not:

with this info.. saya akan generate satu quotation yang akan bagi the amount of contribution monthly ler... FYI, minimum monthly is RM100.

kalau tak keberatan lagi, kasik arnie punya email, lepas tu saya boleh forwardkan quotation tu and some explanation...

thank you sis

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apa yg saya beri kan anak2... ni khas utk pendidikan mereka sekarang & masa depan... rasa nyer arnie & iena nak saving utk pendidikan anak2... so, saya kongsi part saya ... sebab saya ada kedua-dua nyer - simpanan & insuran.

1 - YIPPIE & YIPPIE CARE (maybank)
every month memang hubby saving RM500 ke dlm akaun nurin & syuhada (RM250 each). tak boleh miss. termasuk di dalam list pembayaran wajib bulanan.

ada coverage insuran juga dari maybank. kerana saving more than RM500(yippie). and ada reward from maybank if cemerlang in UPSR, PMR, SPM & STPM. maturity akaun ni rasa nyer bila anak 24 thn kot. coverage insuran tu adalah bonus sebab kita saving. deduction dari akaun (yippie care) less than 20% tiap bulan. baki 80% tu confirm kita punyer.

2 - SSPN
sama juga. hubby carum RM100 sebulan utk tiap sorang anak2. pembayaran wajib kami.

saya pilih ni utk kemudahan anak2 di masa depan. utk dpt pinjaman PTPTN. ni adalah salah satu alternatif di masa akan dtg. tiada SSPN, tak dpt PTPTN. maka, tak susah la nanti bila anak masuk universiti.

meskipun saya rasa tak nak beban kan anak dgn loan belajar kerana insya'Allah saya nak tanggung sendiri..... di suatu sudut pandangan saya, kemungkinan loan tu dpt membantu.



pengalaman menyayat hati ...
saya pernah ada carum satu insuran terkenal (RM150) sebulan utk nurin. dari nurin umur 3 bulan hingga 1 thn 11 bulan.

ada satu masa tu, saya nak buka akaun yg sama utk syuhada. so, saya just cek breakdown akaun nurin dulu la. nak tau brape keuntungan la konon. and my style memang akan tanya setiap inci suatu suatu benda tu... then, saya jumpa figures yg memang di luar jangkaan. yg amat memeranjat kan & menyedihkan ... adakah begitu ??? memang begitu ??? maka, bila nurin 18 thn, nak masuk universiti, byk ni jer dlm akaun saving dia ??? ye ke ??? mana yg lain ??? mana keuntungan nyer ??? mana la cukup saya nak menanggung education dia dgn byk ni di masa depan ....
memang tak terjawab ejen insuran saya tuterkebil - kebil ...

saya terus meeting dgn hubby... saya terus ambik keputusan..... lepas buat kira-kira, minta pendapat org yg lebih tua, tanya sini & sana..... saya tutup akaun nurin. tutup akaun tu, se sen pun saya tak dpt balik dari RM3450 yg saya da byr meskipun tiada tuntutan. kata ejen tu, byr charges ni... tu... ni... tu ... ni....

akhir kata....
bagi parents yg ada rezeki lebih, pendapatan lebih, memang bagus ambik insuran utk anak2. bagus sgt... sebab mereka da ada tabungan lain utk anak2. maka - duit ada, insuran pun ada... sebab tu now saya pilih - menabung lebih, insuran pun ada.

sspn vs. insuran pendidikan ... ???
tiada against nyer. sama sama bagus. cuma terpulang kpd pendapatan parents. kalau ada kedua-dua nyer, lebih bagus dan menjamin... just survey yg terbaik & berbaloi ...


suatu pendapatan peribadi dr saya... untuk pertimbangan semua....
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Salam.. buat Sister Diva aroma dan semua..

thanks sebab share dengan kita pasal pengalaman you yang sungguh menyayat hati.. tapi saya pulak nak share dengan semua di sini agar diorang tak der bad impression pasal insurance/takaful nih..

memang betul la for the first six years duit yang dicarumkan tu tak banyak.. in fact dalam policy ada sebut..(nampak sangat agent you tak citer and you pun tak baca policy... )... tahun pertama a% allocation for management charges, tahun kedua b%, seterusnyer sampai ker tahun ke enam... and saya (dan suami.. both of us are agent.. akan make sure kitorang citer kat customer kitoarng pasal allocation nih.. dan alhamdulillah semua customer kitorang paham dan clear pasal issue nih)... dan kitorang pun selalu tunjuk projection sampai 25 tahun... maksudnyer after 25years mencarum... possibility of having savings yang banyak ni... selalunyer with 2% profit (min) and 8% profit (max)... but last year saja... kita buat 30% profit.

selepas tahun keenam tu, barulah 100% duit caruman masuk ke dalam akaun takaful.. maksudnyer tak der kena management charges lagi.. and baru lah duit pun nampak 'berkembang'...

jadi.. orang yang amik insurance/takaful ni.. selalunyer kitorang akan tanya tujuan... nak coverage(protection) ker atau nak simpan duit... sebab kalau nak simpan duit better masuk bank/ASB/tabung haji etc.. sebab menyimpan dalam insurance ni tujuan dia memang untuk jangka panjang... and yang utama ialah protection (macam yang saya sebut earlier tuh)... savings tu ala2 bonus ler...

lagi satu... duit yang kita simpan tu.. sebenarnyer dalam bentuk unit.. macam unit trust jugak.. so bergantung kepada nilai pasaran kat market.. market down, kurang la duit and market up, banyak la sikit duit tu... and insyallah hujung tahun tiap2 financial year, pencarum akan dapat profit yang dia bagi in units form jugak, masuk ke dalam akaun takaful. Macam last year, one of the Takaful fund make 30% profit.

okay... lagi satu nak tumpang tanya la.. (sebab saya memang tak tahu..) Yippie tu... insurance coverage yang macam mana yer.. kematian sahaja ker.. atau plus critical illness and TPD?...kalau masuk hospital, dia cover tak?? kalau sudi.. tolong la cerita pasal the whole coverage..... nak tambah ilmu jugak nih..

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EXPLAINATION TERPERINCI atas permintaan umi.
saya akan cuba guna perkataan / terma yg betul... agar org tak keliru lagi...

camni.... insuran yg saya join dulu : RM150 x 12 bulan x 17 thn (konon la if saya proceed). surely bersamaan dengan RM30,600.
tambah dividen, lagi la lebih dari figure tu , kan ?
then... mcm unit trust & insuran ada charges yg mcm2...

saya faham & saya sedia maklum waktu buka akaun.
1st 6 years ada charge - company's, komisyen ejen, medical card, etc... investment tu berperingkat sebab duit dok byr charge dulu.
but pd pandangan peribadi saya waktu tu - ok la. charge tak byk. dpt dividen, boleh cover... yg penting, modal premium tu kembali, dividen sikit takpe, yg penting ada...

but, just imagine... ejen saya forecast kan dlm statement bertulis ber letter head kan company insuran tersebut...
di usia anak saya 17 thn tu, CASH yg saya boleh w/draw keseluruhan [ tutup akaun ] tidak berbelas ribu pun !!! jgn sebut la puluhan ribu...

camner tu ?
camner ia boleh membantu kepada SIMPANAN PENDIDIKAN di masa akan dtg.
ni pengalaman sendiri tau... statement tu saya pegang & baca sendiri.
itu forecast if TIADA TUNTUTAN langsung selama 17 thn...

if nak insuran, yes... go for it. nak security hidup & mati... VERY GOOD ! if ada pendapatan yg cukup, why not ???
but, dlm konteks SIMPANAN PENDIDIKAN, pergi direct kpd SIMPANAN yg benar-benar SIMPANAN.
seperti yg dilakukan oleh MAMAFIZA - sspn.
then, MAMAFIZA ada insuran sebagai tambahan.
ok le tu... insuran tu plak, ada pelaburan... lagi la ok... daripada insuran semata-mata... kan ?

pada saya, suatu SIMPANAN mesti ada... di samping insuran...

YIPPIE SAVING ACCOUNT

ada 2 choice - islamic / conventional.
mesti maintain minima RM1,000 utk dpt kan rate dividen special [bukan seperti rate akaun saving biasa ].
dan juga, hanya boleh w/draw duit 2 kali setahun utk dpt rate dividen special di atas.
ada coverage utk accident utk anak & ibu / bapa [ tgk nama sape kat buku account ] hingga maksima RM70,000 [ further information - refer bank ].

YIPPIE CARE - 2

education plan + insuran.
tak bleh kuar duit.
bersifat SIMPANAN [ saving ].
insuran utk anak & ibu / bapa juga - kematian & critical illness,.... tiada medical card... kita boleh add on whatever kita nak di insured kan. ini akan affect how much we have to pay monthly.

bila saving = confirm simpanan bulanan kita akan dikembalikan... CONFIRM !!!
investment - ikut market naik turun. kalau orait, ada untung. kalau mcm sekarang ni market down, tak der la, even duit modal kita tu jadi kurang. sama mcm unit trust... ikut market !

then, bila anak umur 18 tahun... maybank akan beri pd kita duit hasil simpanan kita + DIVIDEN. atau ikut coverage ganda 2. whichever lebih tinggi.

contoh : [ bulanan RM 100. coverage RM15,000 ]

1 - RM100 x 12 bulan x 18 thn = RM 21,600-00 [ lom tambah dividen ]
2 - coverage RM 15,000 x 2 = RM30,000

kalau no. 1 tu lebih tinggi dari no. 2, kita akan dpt no. 1. dan begitu la sebalik nyer...


brape byr sebulan... coverage... things insured = boleh tau masa open account.
yg penting saving utk plan pendidikan...


berbeza - SAVING dan INVESTMENT !!!

KESIMPULAN DARI PENJELASAN DI ATAS

SAVING - wajib.
INVESTMENT - kalau ada lebih.
insuran - kalau ada lebih baik.

ni dlm konteks duit yg saya tekan kan.
just imagine bila anak dpt result SPM excellent - nak masuk universiti.
kena ada duit...
saya tak usik apa yg insuran cover, termasuk la konsep rider [ kalau ibu / bapa mati ].
itu kawan-kawan kena la korek sendiri. normally, kalau nak coverage lebih, premium lebih. tu jek.

sebab tu saya kata SSPN dan INSURAN PENDIDIKAN tidak berlawanan.
actually, my personal opinion - bukan INSURAN PENDIDIKAN.
ia adalah insuran... then, ada investment utk education.
di mana target nyer adalah INSURAN...
investment tu no. 2... then, bergantung pula dgn market.

yg penting - jgn berharap sgt setiap RM yg kita bayar kita dpt balik if kita opt utk insuran link investment. unless, market / ekonomi bagus giler !!! yg mana susah nak terjadi. like now, market / ekonomi teruk. lebih teruk dari 1997 - 1999 dulu tu.

tak percaya ? tanyer org yg invest dlm unit trust... especially org yg start invest 2007... da 2 tahun belum dpt rasa untung ! rugi lagi. now price memang jatuh. if dia invest dulu RM5,000, hari ni may b less than RM2,500... ni contoh la....


the end...
harap jelas yer...
saya bukan anti - insuran.
saya pun ada insuran coverage kat YIPPIE di atas...
hanya saya war - war kan apa yg topik ni perlu...
agar parents dpt decide sewajar nya...


tidak menjatuhkan sesiapa, kiranya ada yg berkecil hati.
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